tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1104650668609735792.post3819088756322502242..comments2024-03-04T04:35:00.320-08:00Comments on Anti Kpop-Fangirl: The differences between K-pop and western pop for those too lazy to write their own school essaysNayeon's Vibratorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00084865239924176871noreply@blogger.comBlogger52125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1104650668609735792.post-17532832692867542242014-09-07T14:27:25.086-07:002014-09-07T14:27:25.086-07:00HAH, jokes on you. My papers will be based on eith...HAH, jokes on you. My papers will be based on either texts and books for theoretical work, or on actual case studies done by either me or some other group in my education (or writers of said books/texts), so I can't use your thing.<br /><br />Sure would be interesting having a case study with kpop, in this topic too but then it'd probably be less technical than this post.Elienorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03264008098083701428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1104650668609735792.post-69528743234915944782014-09-04T12:05:17.745-07:002014-09-04T12:05:17.745-07:00To the point of "image maintenance," one...To the point of "image maintenance," one of the ways that K-pop is different from Western pop is that it is merely one component of an entertainment industry that is designed largely to cross-pollinate and protect the images of those involved. Idols act, comedians sing and top actors appear on variety shows, all confident that those involved on the production end will protect their image. When Rain shows up on Running Man, he doesn't have to worry that anyone will act offended by his military scandals -- in the world of variety shows, he'll ALWAYS be "international movie star Rain." <br /><br />It always amuses me when fans talk about idols "ruining their image" on variety shows. It's always used as a term of endearment, precisely because K-variety producers are expert at manipulating idol culture tropes in a way that is endearing instead of damaging.<br /><br />In case my opinion is not clear, what I'm saying is that one genuine difference is that Kpop is not only singing and dancing but performing on variety and talk shows too. They are not ancillary pursuits but integral to the Kpop experience.Super_Slappyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04809472125007353890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1104650668609735792.post-8947895252743973942014-09-04T08:17:41.379-07:002014-09-04T08:17:41.379-07:00Western music died a little , or maybe, a LOT when...Western music died a little , or maybe, a LOT when it strayed from "music only"Mike Messiahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05712642261328185629noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1104650668609735792.post-75527478414484238272014-09-02T08:25:28.650-07:002014-09-02T08:25:28.650-07:00, likes on your facebook pictures, followers on yo..., likes on your facebook pictures, followers on your facebook id, shares of your facebook posts, every thing is available here, visit for more details<br /><a href="http://bit.ly/JobzCornerz" rel="nofollow">www.jobzcorner.com</a>Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17444531047548171364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1104650668609735792.post-70551441235276847682014-09-01T12:43:22.838-07:002014-09-01T12:43:22.838-07:00The western market must be music only, because the...The western market must be music only, because the vast majority of the most viewed videos on youtube aren't western pop singers right? The western market must be music only, because American pop singers definitely don't take every chance they get to do retarded things and make themselves into a media spectacle right? That must be it. Even though music tv channels and radio stations are dead or dying in America, pop singers build their fan base solely by spreading their music to the masses via downloads and concerts. Yeah that must be it, right? I can't say I ever heard about Miley Cyrus until she had a concert at my local downtown concert venue.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1104650668609735792.post-51223515458227001012014-09-01T12:15:43.793-07:002014-09-01T12:15:43.793-07:00The first one, like you said, is typical western i...The first one, like you said, is typical western influenced kpop style. The last one is very western too tbh. The only one that's different is the second one and I'm taking a guess here that she's a little older and probably caters to a slightly older generation?<br /><br />I'm not a fan of Thai music but almost all the Thai pop I've seen or heard of seems like it wants to be kpop/jpop/something western. It doesn't really matter who did it first, what matters is that it works.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1104650668609735792.post-40493537102896098892014-09-01T10:58:55.662-07:002014-09-01T10:58:55.662-07:00A rock band resurgence in Korea? But then again K-...A rock band resurgence in Korea? But then again K-Rock is fucking dead if Busker Busker is considered the "epitome" of band music. The k-idol industry have made this into an artform like j-J-idols have.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17682786445181570321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1104650668609735792.post-16171405615790846442014-09-01T02:57:39.415-07:002014-09-01T02:57:39.415-07:00"Music-only" American market, ahahahahah..."Music-only" American market, ahahahahahahaha.<br /><br />Ahahahahaha.<br /><br />Sincerely, music teacher.Kpopalypsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16485316114199989423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1104650668609735792.post-34604452258009738052014-09-01T02:46:16.946-07:002014-09-01T02:46:16.946-07:00I have over 100 physical k-pop albums in my home a...I have over 100 physical k-pop albums in my home at any given time. Sometimes when I get time I even listen to them! Quite a few k-pop songs use minor pentationic scales, but the major one - almost never.Kpopalypsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16485316114199989423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1104650668609735792.post-37972403664529653102014-08-31T19:04:12.166-07:002014-08-31T19:04:12.166-07:00Interesting point. To counter:
https://www.youtube...Interesting point. To counter:<br />https://www.youtube.com/user/KatyPerryVEVO<br /><br />--Andrew S.Andrew Sorohanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01377620456453176431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1104650668609735792.post-7552864371867059512014-08-31T19:02:52.014-07:002014-08-31T19:02:52.014-07:00There's a download bar on almost all of them, ...There's a download bar on almost all of them, yes.Andrew Sorohanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01377620456453176431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1104650668609735792.post-70313304051964093532014-08-31T17:40:11.665-07:002014-08-31T17:40:11.665-07:00I know your articles are directed to 15 yo America...I know your articles are directed to 15 yo American girls (hence the dumbing down when you explain things), but your conclusion reflects your misunderstanding of kpop as a whole. <br /><br />It isn't a mere genre of music, it's more close related to a theatrical expression (or musical) in which every element is vital; this is obvious when you hear that "not so good" song, but with a cool choreography and/or the colorful MV. This is opposed to the music-only American market.<br /><br />This doesn't mean that every single concept in k-pop isn't a copy from an American one, that's for granted. But it isn't the same.<br /><br />It is not the same.<br /><br />Sincerely, music student.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09937192178367128597noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1104650668609735792.post-636913981109442162014-08-31T16:40:30.335-07:002014-08-31T16:40:30.335-07:00I feel strangely compelled to point out that "...I feel strangely compelled to point out that "doing it more", if nothing else, is going to get you more quality content by virtue of having more volume to mill through and find good stuff in. But overall... Eh. I like it more based on subjective taste (both the music and the language) and i have no real desire to convince myself otherwise =pUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10012780438760359896noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1104650668609735792.post-72874947715087517962014-08-31T14:33:54.819-07:002014-08-31T14:33:54.819-07:00Fascinating videos.
The first one is, as you said,...Fascinating videos.<br />The first one is, as you said, very much like modern K-Pop.<br />The second reminds me a bit of trot. Or 80s HK Pop, think of all the Jackie Chan, Sammo Hung and Sam Hui movies with their chill music.<br />Last one's like typical western electro-ish pop.<br /><br />Do many Thai pop MVs have a download code in their YT videos ? lolNohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04535675034845692079noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1104650668609735792.post-84930391435847283092014-08-31T13:09:07.435-07:002014-08-31T13:09:07.435-07:00I always like reading these kind of posts because ...I always like reading these kind of posts because I get to know a lot of stuff I didn't know before. I spend a good while reading that reddit thread about The Beatles.<br /><br />Kpopcalypse have you ever listened to kpop outside the title tracks? Because there was a song someone told me used a pentatonic scale I listened to but I don't know shit about music so I don't know if that's true or what it really means. <br /><br />Either way, great read. It's yet another article I'll keep linking to fans that think otherwise. You don't know how much I linked your article to other people. Especially the f(x) one lolAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02237617641943351672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1104650668609735792.post-58124069501884133452014-08-31T10:27:49.996-07:002014-08-31T10:27:49.996-07:00'American Bandstand' and 'Top of the P...'American Bandstand' and 'Top of the Pops' aren't on the air anymore but those are the shows that the Korean music shows are basically based on.<br /><br />Although I don't think those shows ever had the same artists back week after week for two months performing the exact same song like they do in Korea. So, there are definitely a lot more live performances in K-pop than Western pop.incheonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03843752631677969351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1104650668609735792.post-27942582805087242982014-08-31T08:08:35.571-07:002014-08-31T08:08:35.571-07:00Really, the only difference between K-pop and West...Really, the only difference between K-pop and Western pop is the way they promote, and the amount of groups. I prefer K-pop over Western pop music because of how awesome it is that i get 2-3 performances a week, and they seem to release music more often, its annoying having to wait for a Western singer to come back every year. Also, groups are fucking cool and I wish we had more in the U.S. The only relevant groups in America right now are One Direction (they're slowly turning into a band though) and Fifth Harmony. Every other group is gross, old, or just plain and unlikable. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1104650668609735792.post-41111695405912787752014-08-31T07:04:56.664-07:002014-08-31T07:04:56.664-07:00Yeah k-pop fans can get very defensive.Yeah k-pop fans can get very defensive.Kpopalypsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16485316114199989423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1104650668609735792.post-50543576217430116232014-08-31T06:58:09.151-07:002014-08-31T06:58:09.151-07:00Sorry, I wasn't clear. I agree -- but I think ...Sorry, I wasn't clear. I agree -- but I think a lot of the REASON people object to 'it's really heavily influenced by western pop' is that they think it's an attack on K-pop.<br /><br />Certainly, I imagine that's why wall-of-text guy wrote his wall of text.<br /><br />--Andrew S.Andrew Sorohanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01377620456453176431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1104650668609735792.post-12424644037587782052014-08-31T06:25:46.563-07:002014-08-31T06:25:46.563-07:00This post isn't really about saying whether k-...This post isn't really about saying whether k-pop is good or bad. It's just about saying "it is what it is" to counter the people who think it's something that it's not.Kpopalypsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16485316114199989423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1104650668609735792.post-12389178745451287002014-08-31T04:18:35.556-07:002014-08-31T04:18:35.556-07:00If you want actual Asian pop that is, y'know.....If you want actual Asian pop that is, y'know... influenced by things outside of just western pop music -- I would suggest looking at Thai pop.<br /><br />Thai pop is fascinating in that it sits (both geographically and musically) right between India and Korea. So you get stuff that is clearly trying to copy the K-pop formula:<br /><br />http://youtu.be/oE7EiMNeOek<br /><br />And then there's stuff that is far more influenced by India, and Thai culture:<br />http://youtu.be/CKDwsFbq1_c<br /><br />And then there's stuff like this:<br />http://youtu.be/zK0vgFHzfEI<br /><br />I think the mistake is thinking that just because K-pop is basically a repackaging of western concepts, it's shit. The point is that it has been repackaged -- and in a very nice, palatable way. <br /><br />And a way where I don't have to listen to how vapid the lyrics are (mostly).<br /><br />--Andrew S.<br /><br />Andrew Sorohanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01377620456453176431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1104650668609735792.post-60694434349546700462014-08-30T23:36:56.838-07:002014-08-30T23:36:56.838-07:001 2 and 4 are just k-pop doing exactly what the we...1 2 and 4 are just k-pop doing exactly what the west has always done but doing it more. Not really a difference in the product itself. 3 could equally apply to any other non-English speaking music, such as people confusing Spanish and Brazilian music...Kpopalypsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16485316114199989423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1104650668609735792.post-24902854790895514632014-08-30T23:33:25.305-07:002014-08-30T23:33:25.305-07:00I've seen the sound system that The Beatles us...I've seen the sound system that The Beatles used when they played in Adelaide in 1964. What piece of shit. The sound systems were not great back then, fangirls being so loud that the groups couldn't hear themselves is not an exaggeration.Kpopalypsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16485316114199989423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1104650668609735792.post-40845603932438042942014-08-30T21:58:56.688-07:002014-08-30T21:58:56.688-07:00Also the live concert footage in which the screami...Also the live concert footage in which the screaming of fangirls overpowered the sound system. Crazy shit.Sunmi's Anal Beadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09795042427485722111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1104650668609735792.post-79703062537758508372014-08-30T20:36:26.007-07:002014-08-30T20:36:26.007-07:00I think there are 4 factors:
1.The media hype from...I think there are 4 factors:<br />1.The media hype from the companies that we read on the entertainment news, <br />2.The more frequent promotions on TV than the West, <br />3.The novelty in listening to the song thinking it's Japanese when it's actually Korean for a English-speaking fan and <br />4.The variety in eye candy. Get Dunked.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07955271837128043099noreply@blogger.com